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Discussion in 'Web Design Forum' started by deeg, May 2, 2010.

  1. deeg

    deeg New Member

    Hi guys,

    I hope you're all well.

    I'm the MD of a web development agency, and I wanted to drop a post on here in the hope of gathering your feedback on a new development system we're testing called 'Cloud Consultancy'.

    You can find the basic premise and initial proposal for the system here: Your Page Title, but essentially we're inviting all coders and designers to apply to join a developer 'cloud' which can be utilised for projects of varying scale and complication, based on their unique skill base.

    We've been doing some initial promotion and feedback-gathering for while now, and we already have a number of developers signed up and working on projects. However, one thing we've noticed is that we're not seeing a similar pick-up in web designer applications, which is causing us a few headaches due to the number of projects that have a design component we've got queued up.

    As our target demographic of web designers, any feedback that you can give us on the suitability of the model for web designers would be greatly appreciated, and any suggestions for improvements would be gladly taken on board.

    If you've got any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

    Thanks

    Alun
     
  2. Victorious

    Victorious New Member

    Isn't this the stuff where you get the client, I do the work and we both get paid but I get less than you do?

    No thanks.
     
  3. deeg

    deeg New Member

    Hi Victorius,

    Thanks for your feedback. We just wanted to take a minute to address some of the concerns that you raised:

    1) We will always negotiate a fair price for our Cloud members.
    We at deeg come from a technical background ourselves and have worked in the freelance world, and so are familiar with the unrealistic pricing expectations place on projects by some clients. We wouldn't consider these projects ourselves, and so we wouldn't expect you to either.

    2) The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts
    Being part of the Cloud will open up projects that you may not have access to individually. For example, we're currently working on a project for a large stock photography company which involves web design, asp coding, database analysis, iPhone app creation and server configuration. Many freelancers won't be able to address all of these components, but by using the cloud, two or three specialist Cloud freelancers working together could take on the project, and quite probably complete it to a higher standard.

    3) What does deeg bring to the table?
    Victorius is correct in saying that we 'get the client', but we also do much more. We are build a clear spec before approaching you, we are project managers, debt collectors, and much more, enabling you to concentrate on what you're really good at.

    We're not saying that the Cloud Consulting model suits everyone, but what we are saying is that it's free to join, there is no obligation to accept the work offered to you by the Cloud, and there is no restriction on you continuing to source work from elsewhere. We're therefore confident that any freelancers that choose to try the Cloud will find it a very beneficial experience.

    Thanks
     
  4. FreelanceUK

    FreelanceUK Administrator

    I think that's probably enough free advertising :) Strictly speaking we don't allow hiring via the forum because there's a jobs section and also Freelance Alliance, just by way of explanation.

    Also, I might be missing something here, but isn't this just the way creative and web agencies work but with a different name, i.e. they've got clients that they can't always service in house, therefore they call in freelancers? Either it's one freelancer if it's a single disclipline or it might be a team if it's a more complex project?

    This teamwork, i.e. matching complementary skills to form a 'mini full service agency' is really what Freelance Alliance is about, and why we set it up Find a Freelancer - Freelance UK.
     
  5. deeg

    deeg New Member

    Hi,

    Apologies, free advertising really wasn't our intention - we tried to be very careful in our post to explain that we were looking for feedback, but in order to do this we needed to give an outline of the system.

    With regards to the comparison with other web agencies, we feel the Cloud is different in that we're not solely utilising professional freelancers. The Cloud is open to full-timers, as well as people who want to do extra work outside normal working hours, students etc. Think of it as the difference between professional journalism and user generated content - one is restricted by profession, the other by ability.

    We also aim to be constantly expanding the Cloud so we can get the widest range in order to be able to get the best fits for the projects that come our way. Web agencies will traditionally have a shortlist of freelancers that they call on repeatedly - we feel the Cloud model is subtly but importantly different.
     
  6. Victorious

    Victorious New Member

    I get the point of "the cloud" as I am a networking graduate myself and web and graphic design is something I was doing on the side since 1990s but what I don't like about this project is the fact that it is a simple pyramid scheme - people on top will always earn the most and those on the bottom will receive small percentage of what top people get.

    Why use the the "third party" for what you can do yourself? Technical expertise, debt collecting, project managing etc.

    Ok but this no doubt cost money that you will expect to get paid from the fee for the work you expect someone else to do.

    Ok I agree that freelancing is difficult and in the situation where you struggle with cash flow this gives some kind of solution.

    Simple question - lets say you get an order for the website you quote customer for lets say £4000 and I get it to develop how much you get paid and how much I do?

    I understand in the cloud everyone get the small bit to do but lets assume you are very busy and you give the whole project to me.
     
  7. deeg

    deeg New Member

    Hi Vesuvius,

    No problem - unlike the politicians who are contesting the election today, I'll try to give you a straight answer :)

    Let's assume a few other things in this situation: firstly, you were available to work to our timelines, and we found your previous work to be of a high standard. In this case you could expect to recieve around 80%-85%, or around £3200-£3400 for your work.

    Thanks
     
  8. Victorious

    Victorious New Member

    That's Victorious but no harm done :)

    I have to admit that it does seem reasonable. I am quite sceptical when it comes to "schemes" I worked before in a similar scheme and never seen the money for the project.

    Anyway thanks for the straight answer. I think everyone will make their own mind.
     
  9. deeg

    deeg New Member

    Sorry about that - no idea where Vesuvius came from! :)

    I'm glad that you can see the benefits of the model, and whilst I appreciate it may not be for you, should you ever change your mind we would be very glad to welcome you to the Cloud.

    Thanks
     

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